This is a Bonus Episode collaboration between Future of Faith and Try Tank Research Institute.  Dr. Josh Packard, co-founder of Future of Faith, interview Rev. Dr. Sam Wells to bring together two powerful lenses on Christian life today: the incarnational theology of the Rev. Dr. Sam Wells and the sociological insights of Dr. Josh Packard.   Their conversation explores why God’s deepest desire is not to fix humanity, but to be with us —and why that shift in understanding might