In this episode of the TryTank Podcast, we bring together two powerful lenses on Christian life today: the incarnational theology of the Rev. Dr. Sam Wells and the sociological insights of Dr. Josh Packard. Their conversation explores why God’s deepest desire is not to fix humanity, but to be with us —and why that shift in understanding might hold the key to renewing the Church in a low-trust, highly fragmented world. From Sam’s well-known “eight dimensions of being with,” to